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ToxicMarine
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Może jeszcze trochę za wcześnie, ale zaryzykuje z tym tematem.
Wzięte z Gildii/Warseer’a
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5th Edition Rumour roundup
‘5th’ edition 40K is due for release in 2008 although we have conflicting reports about the release date, it’s going to be either summer or more probably autumn (GDUK 0.
There will be a new rulebook and new starter set which will be Orks vs marines, it will include both troops and vehicles (a marine dreadnought is likely and possibly others). The 3up grot seen at UKGD ’07 is also for the starter box.
Rumoured rules amendments
1. the addition of a ‘run’ option (similar to fleet but with a trade off to keep fleet special).
2. Improvements to the cover save rules.
3. Rending toned down (auto wound if you roll a 6 to wound & reduction in effectiveness against vehicles).
4. Template(Blast) weapons rules streamlined.
5. Sniper weapons rules amended (rending probable)
6. Close combat rules amended with a combat resolution phase similar to fantasy
7. Single vehicle damage table.
8. Vehicles without a WS always get hit in the rear armour.
9. Vehicles able to ram
10. Other vehicle amendments
11. Mission rules changed in a similar manner to Apocalypse (no more Alpha, Gamma or Omega).
12. Only non vehicle non swarm troop choices are scoring units.
13. Vehicles types are adjusted (the rumoured skimmer nerf)
Overall the ruleset hasn’t changed dramatically but areas have been clarified, streamlined and in some cases brought closer to 2nd edition.
I’ll add to the list as we hear more. Don’t forget these are rumours and should not be treated as the truth.
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I've amended a couple of things to clarify that vehicles without a WS are hit in the rear armour during CC NOT shooting.
And clarified that I'm talking about TROOPS choices not infantry as scoring units.
Pozdrawiam.
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Ja też sporo grzebałem w plotkach na temat nowych zasad do 40k i może widzieliscie 2 pliki które kiedyś pojawiły sie chyba na forum Bolter & Chainsword.
1. Close Combat trial rules
2. Vehicle trail rules.
Nie pamiętam teraz tych zasad ale jutro je odnajdę i zapostuję.
Z tego co pamiętam:
1. Power Fist zawsze będzie atakował z 1 atakiem.
2. Walczący z "drugiej linii" czyli bez btb też beda mieli 1 atak.
Jesli cos z tego sie sprawdzi to znacznie spowolni close combat.
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Moim zdaniem close combat będzie szybki i przykry (np. w przypadku moich Necronow). Wpada mi jakis dopakowany Hero zabija 5 kolesi, oddaje resztkami (załóżmy ze wounda zadam).-4 na wstępie do LD. Przynajmniej ja tak to widzę, jeśli mówią, że walka będzie podobna do WFB. Nie daj Bóg..
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przecieki wskazują że zmiany ida w kierunku powrotu do 2 edycji, co mnie niezmiernie cieszy bo właśnie W40K pod 2 ed to była dla mnie osbiście najlepsza figurkowa gra bitewna, do której nie umywają się wszelkiej maści WM/H, FoW, Infinity i cała reszta.
CC w 2 ed nie polegał na tym że hero wyrzynał cały oddział zwyklasów, ilość hitów zależała od WS zarówno atakującego jak i broniącego, pozatym ataki w CC rozliczało się kompletnie inaczej niż w WFB. Matko, co ja bym dał za to żeby 2ed wróciła na stoły...
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| Wysłany: Czw 21:35, 07 Lut 2008 Temat postu: Słowo od Miśka |
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Przeraziły mnie pogłoski o rendingu oraz bieganiu a'la fleet ponieważ spowoduje to że Tyraski (które właśnie składam do kupy) stracą na znaczeniu i przydatności i jedyne co zostanie to niesmaczny "cyrk".
Niby to ploty z tymi zasadami, ale przy poprzedniej edycji właśnie takie ploty się zawsze potwierdzały prawie w całości. Grrrrr........
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| Wysłany: Czw 22:18, 07 Lut 2008 Temat postu: |
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e marudzisz nawet jeśli ploty o rendingu się sprawdzą to gienki czy czarni zbytnio nie stracą za to herlawi już tak, po za tym rending to największy przepak tej edycji więc jak go trochę utrącą to nic się nie stanie
polepszenie covera (teraz las ma dawać już na 4+ a ruiny na 3+) i broń defensywna z S4 to nie brzmi zbyt smakowicie
za to jedna zmieniona tabela na zniszczenie pojazdu oraz dawanie pojazdom cover brzmi nieźle w końcu taka zmiana może spowodować wzrost ilości maszyn na stołach 
no i koniec z niewyjmowalnymi fistami w składach a sam fist ma dostawać dodatkowy atak tylko w parze z drugim 
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New's z Bell of Lost Souls:
So just a quick rundown for those who haven't heard already:
Marine Codex: September
Space Wolves: December
2009
Imperial Guard
Planetstrike
The marine codex is said to be huge, clocking in at nearly 140 pages. And the Space Wolves are coming hot on their heels just in time for the holidays!
Those 2 releases push IG and Planetstrike (along with that stubborn plastic thunderhawk rumor) into early to mid 2009.
No to zaczynam się cieszyć i odkładać złote monetki.
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co do space wolves to znalazłem cóś takiego :
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I have no idea if the SW codex will be out this year. I have not heard that it will, but then I have not heard that it won’t. I do know that some playtesting has certainly been done and is ongoing.
Blood Claws are armed with BP&CCW, frag & krack and can take special weapons or PF/PWs. Furious Charge instead of berserker charge. Minimum squad size is 10 and they can go as high as 20. WS goes up to 4 but BS stays at 3.
Grey Hunters are armed like Chaos marines (i.e. everything). No more True Grit, but Counter Charge stays for this unit; can take an assortment of special weapons or PF/PWs. Squad Leader is a wolf guard with options like a vet sergeant from CA
Jump pack Blood Claws are a separate entry now.
Wolf Guard are split into two squad types - terminators and power armour.
All wolf scouts can infiltrate or come on from any table edge.
Long Fangs stay as is as far as I know. Probably picking up a BP& CCW in addition to their big guns.
Dreads and ven dreads go down to WS4, but Bjorn is back as a special character. I don’t know if they can be HQ.
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Z Warseera, pewnie wszystkim znane ale jak by co:
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• Running – instead of shooting can opt to run d6” (cannot assault) (note Fleet of Foots advantage now is that you can assault)
• Cover rules (a cover save is needed when shooting into cover, for the unit being shot at when you are shooting out of more than 2” of cover, shooting through cover to enemy on the other side)
• Targeting units (can’t target units whose line of site is paritally impaired by friendly units if your guns are powerful enough to damage it e.g. Missile Pod versus Devilfish)
• Shooting – if you shoot through on the same level as you the enemy unit being fired at gains a 4+ cover save
• Templates – all templates auto hit all the models underneath e.g. a ball of flame from an explosion
• Pinning/Go To Ground – after the enemy has rolled to hit or wound you can declare your models pinned and the unit cannot do anything that turn. They will benefit from +1 to their cover save or a 6+ save if not in cover
• Pinning – If forced to pin you take a -1 modifier Ld test if below half strength
• Blast weapons – instead of rolling to hit with blast weapons they automatically hit the target area but scatter
• (Flame) Template weapons – you don’t need to roll to hit
• Twin-linked template weapons – re-roll to wound
• Moving through units – troops cannot move through friendly units unless there enough room for its base or hull to fit through
• Rending – cause an AP2 wound against non-vehicles and against vehicles adds D3 to the Armour Penetration
• Sniper (cant remember old rules so may not be diff) – always a 4+ to wound, pinning, rending, 2D AP against vehicles (no bonus for rending)
• Pile-In moves are now at a 6” maximum
• Assault – can assault multiple units as long as you can maintain coherency, must declare which is the primary target and move to engage that unit first (must start assault against the unit it shot at) must attack the first unit if in its 2” assault range, if engaged with more than one enemy at the beginning of the fight you can choose where to assign the attacks
• If you assault a unit and you are exactly 1” away you are classed as in combat because you are 1” away or less
• If assaulting enemy units into/out of/through cover you suffer -1 initiative (if the enemy unit were locked in combat in the last turn this does not apply)
• Consolidation moves at end of assault can only be used to enter already locked combats and not start them
• Pistols are the only shooting weapon that confers +1 attack in combats
• Powerfists – if using a powerfist only secondary powerfists/thunder hammers will confer a +1 attack bonus. If using another special weapon eg. a power weapon powerfists may count towards the +1 attack bonus
• Morale checks (cant remember if diff) – now take a test if unit falling back pass through or touches normal unit
• Morale checks - -1 extra modifier to any other Ld test modifiers if below half strength
• Morale checks – If you lose an assault you gain a -1 modifier for every wound caused – my poor tau
• If you are immune to psychology somehow when losing a combat you take as many wounds as you are outnumbered by e.g. outnumbered 2:1 equals 2 wounds (walkers + mc’s = 10 models)
• Falling Back – fleeing troops may not Go To Ground (pinning rule) or automatically pass pinning tests
• Falling Back units may shoot while moving or opt to run (moving towards closest table edge). You cannot assault when falling back
• Falling back troops automatically pass all morale checks except to regroup
• Regroup – can regroup falling units with a Ld test if further than 6” from nearest enemy unit and above half strength
• Regroup - +1 to roll needed if no enemy is visible or in area terrain
• Regroup – if regrouped can Assault and Run or Shoot (count as moving)
• Independent Characters – Move Through Cover and Skilled Rider rules
• Independent Characters – In combat must be in b2b and can be targeted separately
• MCs – Shoot at 1 target, cannot voluntarily pin
• (Dark) Eldar Jet bikes – May make an extra 6” movement in the Assault phase instead of assaulting
• Artillery – artillery units may not run, and may not assault if there is a gun
• Artillery – models hit on 1-4 and guns hit on a 5-6 (like in fantasy), guns are AV10 and will automatically be destroyed on a glancing or penetrating hit
• Artillery – automatically fail sweeping advance tests
• Roads – vehicle except walkers and skimmers may move at double speed if they use their full movement distance along a road
• Vehicles – if moving 6” or less (Combat speed) may fire one single weapon. If moving at 6-12” (Cruising speed) or more cannot shoot
• Defensive Weapons – Any weapon that is Strength 4 or less (defensive) may be fired when moving at Combat Speed and in addition to their main weapon
• Defensive Weapons – may not be fired if you’re using an Ordnance weapon that turn
• Ordnance Barrage – must be stationary to fire, no defensive weapons may be fired, pinning tests incur for wounded models
• AP1 weapons cause a +1 on the Vehicle Damage Tables
• AP- causes a -1 on the Vehicle Damage Tables
• New singular Damage Tables – 1.Crew Shaken (no shooting), 2.Crew Stunned (no movement or shooting
3. Damaged – 1 Weapon Destroyed, if none left Immobilised
4. Damaged – Immobilised, if already move to Wrecked
5. Damaged – Wrecked. Destroyed and becomes wreckage
6. Damaged – Explodes. 6” in all directions S3 Ap-. Vehicles not affected and ground becomes Difficult Terrain
• Glancing Hit = -2 Modifier
• AP- versus vehicles = -1 Modifier
• Hit an Open Topped Vehicle or AP1 weapon = +1 Modifier
• Hull Down/Obscured – 50% of vehicle must be in terrain to be hull down
• Obscured units may take the appropriate cover save for the terrain if they get a Glancing/Penetrating hit. If obscured from wargear the save is always 5+
• Vehicles are not hull down if in open Area Terrain
• Shooting at Vehicles – if you cannot see 100% of one side the vehicle gains a 3+ cover save
• Vehicle Assaults – Troops Strength +D6 Armour Penetration
• Defensive Grenades (i.e. Photon Grenades) – 4+D6 AP vs. vehicles
• Defensive Granades - When charged by enemy units the grenades cause them to lose their +1 attack for charging
• Assault Grenades (i.e. Frag Grenades) – 5+D6 AP vs. Vehicles
• Assault Grenades - if assault enemy units in terrain the combat will be fough on initiative basis
• Krak Grenades – 6+D6 AP vs. Vehicles
• Melta Bombs – 8+2D6 AP vs. Vehicles
• Vehicle Squadrons – Immobilised vehicles may be abandoned and in the process are destroyed and wrecked
• Vehicle Squadrons –shoot at one unit per turn. If shot at hits distributed evenly
• Vehicle Squadrons – if assaulted count as separate vehicles
• Transport Fire Points – cannot shoot if at Cruising Speed, counts as moving
• Transport Embarking – all of the models within 2” of Access Point or no embarking allowed
• Transport Disembarking – may shoot but not assault (no mention of Running)
• Effects of Transport Damage on Passengers – Wrecked causes a Pinning Test and Explosion causes a S4 AP- hit and a pinning test
• Ramming Tanks – If ramming cannot shoot. To ram a tank you move in the same way as a Tank Shock. Causes damage to both tanks on the correct side. +1S for every armour point above 10 and +1 for every 3” moved +1, tank +1
• Open Topped Vehicles - +1 to result of vehicle damage
• Fast Vehicles – May choose to make a Flat Out move granting them 18” to move but cannot shoot
• Fast Vehicles Firing – At Combat Speed may move and shoot all weapons like a stationary vehicle e.g. ordnance weapons. At Cruising Speed may move and fire like normal vehicles’ combat speed
• Flat Out – cannot embark/disembark troops
• Skimmers – cannot end move over friendly/enemy troops
• Skimmers – if moving at Cruising or Flat Out speed count as obscured
• Skimmers – if at Cruising Speed or Flat Out and is immobilised it’s destroyed, if it at Combat Speed immobilised as normal and no longer a skimmer
• Skimmers – need a 6 to hit skimmers in combat
• Walkers – may Run
• Walkers – If stationary may fire all weapons, if at combat speed may fire one
• Walkers – If immobilised or Stunned in combat, loses one attack
• Walkers – May Death or Glory ramming moves
• Universal Special Rule – Eternal Warrior – immune to instant death
• Feel No Pain – cannot be used if you won’t receive an armour save
• Fleet – can Run and Assault
• Slow and Purposeful - Units with SaP have the Relentless special rule and count as moving through difficult terrain when moving
• Relentless - a unit may move, fire weapons as though they are stationary and then assault in the same turn
• Stealth – units receive a +1 to cover saves
• Stubborn – receive no Ld modifiers for morale checks
• Turbo Boosters – Jet Bikes and Bikes may move up to 20”, if moves more than 18” the model receives a 3+ save
• Standard Missions- 1-2 Recon, 3-4 Take & Hold, 5-6 Total Annihilation and have the rules Reserves, Deep Strike, Random Game Length (All these missions have been changed)
• Recon – D3+2 markers. Control objective if you are within 3” and there are no enemies within 3”. Player with the most objectives wins
• Take & Hold – Player places an objective in each Deployment Zone, each objective is claimed if within 3” and no enemy units. Player with most wins
• Total Annihilation – Player with highest number of kill points wins. HQ=3 kill points. Heavy Elite Fast Attacks=2 Kill Points. Troops = 1 Kill Point
• Scoring Units – Troops are the only scoring units. Troops that are vehicles or falling back are not scoring units
• Deployment – Roll off for deployment type.
• 1-2 Spearhead (Table Quarters)
• 3-4 Pitched Battle (long edge)
• 5-6 Dawn of War (long edge) place 1HQ and 2Troop on the table and on your first turn models not already deployed can move on from the table edge, infiltrators may start as normal
• Deep Strike – if a unit deep strikes onto a unit/terrain/off the board you roll on the deep strike mishap table. 1=Destroyed, 2/3=unit removed counts as half strength for VP, 4/6= Opponent may place unit anywhere without scattering
• Random Game Length – if at end of turn 5 the player who just had their turn roll a d6 on a 3+ you play turn 6. At end of turn 6 roll a 4+ and turn 7 is played
• Reserves – on turn 5 or later units arrive automatically
• Outflanking Reserves – scouts/infiltrators may try to Outflank, on a d6 roll of 1-2 the unit enters play via left short edge, 3-4 enter via right short edge, 5-6 choose
• Reserves – Scouts/Infiltrators may flank in dedicated transports
• Victory Points – gain 50% of unit worth if unit is below half strength
• If BS is 6 or great you get a re-roll to hit if you miss (doesn’t Get Hot) e.g. BS6 need a 2 to hit and a 6 if you miss. BS7 2/5, BS8 2/4, BS9 2/3, BS10 2/2 (if you have a master-crafted weapon you get the same chance to hit as on your first shot)
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potwierdzone przez GW wiadomości o nowych FAQ, jak mi teraz nie zmienią czegoś w Flayed Ones, Wraitach i Pariasach to pier...lne tymi figurkami do kosza 
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silwuple:
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admin:
zdejm ten link za kilka godzin, w końcu to jeszcze nieoficjalne:)
Admin mode: niech sobie trochę powisi :)
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widzę kilka ciekawych zmian, może być interesująco- w mojej ocenie pojazdy zyskają, a zasady dotyczące przebijania panc są bardziej czytelne. no i każdy ma prawie fleeta(run).
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Pojazdy (zwlaszcza transportery) przestana wreszcie byc jezdzacymi trumnami, w rozpiskach pojawi sie wiecej troopsow, rending zostal ukrocony, czego chciec wiecej? (S6 przy defensive weapons, zeby czolgi nie byly stacjonarnymi bunkrami i mniejszego scattera dla malych blastow to moje zdanie, cala reszta zasad mi sie podoba)
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| (S6 przy defensive weapons, zeby czolgi nie byly stacjonarnymi bunkrami i mniejszego scattera dla malych blastow to moje zdanie, cala reszta zasad mi sie podoba) |
e po co (nie to żeby mnie to nie bolało)
ale po pierwsze z tym znoszeniem blastów nie jest tak żle średnio przy bs4 zniesie z 3" a i tak hit to hit no i nie ma tego durnego trafiania na 4+
defensive weapons zgadzam się z tobą w pełni mogła by być ta S5  ale i tu nie ma tak źle po prostu peskowozy (bo to ich brak mobilności boli najbardziej) znikną a pojawią się tanki walące z placka bo po ruchu i tak będą mogły (trza będzie trzeba kupić trzeciego demola) no i LRC bo on wygarnie prawie ze wszystkiego
combat fajnie zrobiony, strzelanie też imo edycja na +
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